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2016 Pass Rusher Rankings

April 26, 2016

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  1. Joey Bosa Ohio State 6’5 ¼ 269 Jr. He has solid arm length at ‘33 ⅜ but with his height I was expecting longer (on film his arm length also looks a little short). His ‘10 ¼ hands are large though and his 24 reps on the bench are good with his strength clearly translating. His 4.86 40 is flat out bad and is a huge red flag for an elite pass rush prospect. His vertical at ‘32 is poor too but his broad at 10’0 is above average and his quickness drills are elite with his 4.21 shuttle being the 2nd best among all DL at the Combine (tied with Lawson ironically enough) and his 6.89 3 cone also being 2nd best. It’s not hard to argue that he is one of the quickest DL in this year’ s draft and also has the best hand fighting of any prospect in this draft. He’s very skilled and experienced at disengaging from blockers with his polish as a pass rusher being quite rare. He’s still only 20 years old (he is 25 months younger than Shaq Lawson) and that is an important fact as guys with his level of polish and productivity at such a young age are incredibly rare. He reminds me of Chris Long who was a Top 5 pick and is similar in talent level, style of play and likely future production as a pass rusher aka low ceiling. Long had 4 seasons of between 8.5-13 sacks in his first 6 seasons before injuries derailed his career. Bosa likely will be in that 8-12 sack range and doesn’t project as a potential NFL sack leader type rusher. Productivity wise he is elite as his 2014 season (55 tackles, 13.5 sacks and 21 TFL) was special and sandwiched in between were two very solid 2015 (51 tackles, 5 sacks, 16 TFL) and 2013 (44 tackles, 7.5 sacks, 13.5 TFL) seasons. There is some film of him just destroying people on his TFL and sacks. His sack dance is a shrug of the shoulders which has become his signature. He excels at shedding blocks, with some plays him shedding two blockers and still making the play. He had an amazing 2015 Michigan game and it shows what he can do when he is focused (his batted ball and INT on the same play shows the agility he has at 6’5 270). He has a great motor and was the leader of the Ohio D. He was suspended one game in 2015 for alleged marijuana use and poor academics. I think it woke him up as he moved out of his apartment with Ezekiel Elliott and stopped going out in Columbus. He’s a bit of a loner and is quiet off the field. On the field he lacks the elite burst of the great pass rushers but is still incredibly disruptive. His 2015 stats went down from 2014 but he still played very well and a lot can be attributed to opponents double teaming him more often. I have my doubts that Bosa will become a perennial Pro Bowler but the one scenario where he could is if he patterned his game after Justin Tuck and embraced becoming a disruptive DT on passing downs. It could work as at 270 lbs with great hand use and quickness he fits the profile. Nonetheless the most likely scenario is Bosa becomes a very good but not great 4-3 SDE who excels as a run stopper and gives a team 8-12 sacks a year. I wouldn’t be thrilled as a GM using a Top 5 pick on someone like that but if you wait too long, Bosa will be gone as he has a lot of fans in this league who would love a chance at this 20 year old with a great motor and elite production from a powerhouse school. Top 10 as my #1 PR 4/24/16.
  2. Noah Spence Eastern Kentucky 6’2 ½ 251 Jr. Redshirted one season. 5 star recruit out of HS. He ran a 4.80 40 which is very surprising considering how fast he appears on tape. He was good in the explosion drills with a ‘35 vertical and 10’1 broad and average in the quickness drills. He was kicked out of Ohio State due to drug use (multiple failed drug tests including one for esctasy). Before then he was productive as he was 1st Team Big 10 in 2013 (50 tackles, 7.5 sacks, 14 TFL, 1 FF). He dominated the Senior Bowl as he was unblockable throughout the week of practice and was the best defender on the field pretty much the entire time, Sheldon Rankins being the only other possible candidate. Spence has undeniable NFL athleticism as he’s quick, agile and has a noticeable burst to him. He regularly gets the edge on OTs and has the ability to bend around the corner. He has an elite motor and coaches rave about his attitude and work ethic. He has huge hands (10 ¾) and looks very heavy handed on film, especially for a guy his size. Off the field he is a tough evaluation as he failed multiple drug tests due to Ecstasy but went into rehab and passed all 5 drug tests Eastern Kentucky gave him last year. That being said interviews I read from him show a kid that has an addictive personality, he’s always going 100 miles an hour in regards to something, and no one is talking about him being arrested last May (post rehab) for public intoxication. I worry he will re-lapse. Spence is arguably the best pure pass rusher in this draft class. Just watch the tape from the 2013 season and you will see Spence and Bosa opposite each other on most plays. Spence is the one that catches your eye first, not presumed Top 10 pick Bosa. I also love his motor and his heavy hands as he isn’t just a pure speed guy and really battles offensive tackles. His 7.5 sacks though in 2013 isn’t great production and his 4.80 40 isn’t a good time so he does have some on the field red flags too. Due to these two issues he drops out of the Top 10 barely but stays close to it with a Top 15 grade as my #2 PR (grade ignores off the field issues which will be up to each team as everyone has a different level of risk tolerance) 4/24/16.
  3. Shaq Lawson Clemson 6’2 ⅝ 269 Jr. Redshirted one season. He has mediocre arm length (‘32 ¾) but large hands (‘10) and had a good 40 (4.70), broad jump (10’0) and elite quickness drills (4.21 shuttle-2nd best and 7.16 3 cone). Shaq is a unique prospect as he wasn’t even a full time starter until 2015 yet he consistently played the previous two years (7.5 sacks, 21.5 TFL) and flashed star potential immediately so I’m not terribly concerned with that anomaly. Also his 2015 season (60 tackles, 12.5 sacks, 25.5 TFL, 1 FF) is very well rounded with his 25.5 TFL being one of the higher single season totals I can remember grading. I noticed him as a redshirt freshman in 2013 and immediately saw a future 1st rounder as his size, strength and burst are a rare combination. His size is underrated as he’s a legit 270 lbs with a thick upper body and full sized pass rushers like him don’t usually have his burst or bendability. He’s no Robert Quinn or Robert Mathis but he is pretty good at bending around the corner on an OT. Clemson though has had their fair share of busts as pass rushers in recent years (Andre Branch, Malliciah Goodman, Da’Quan Bowers, Ricky Sapp and Phillip Merling). Gaines Adams is the only solid starter created by Clemson in the past decade at the pass rush position (not including Vic Beasley as as starter or bust as it is too early to grade him) and even Adams is arguably a bust as he was an average starter at best, despite being a Top 5 pick. Yet when I watch Lawson’s tape he seems different to me as he has a much better burst than a Bowers, is much bigger than a Sapp or Merling and was far more productive and well rounded than a Branch or Goodman. Hindsight is 20/20 but I see holes in their games that I don’t see in Lawson. He was injured in bowl game vs. Oklahoma but gutted it out for the championship game vs. Alabama showing good toughness as he clearly wasn’t 100%. He gives really good hustle and constantly chases down plays from the backside. As a pure edge rusher Lawson has more upside than Bosa but he isn’t nearly as physical at the POA, lacks Bosa’s elite hand use and doesn’t appear to be very effective as an inside rusher. He will stay at DE on all three downs and be a very good pass rusher and a solid run blocker. Like Bosa he looks like a step below that elite edge rusher all teams are coveting but he should make a team very happy with his 10-14 sack potential. Despite his higher ceiling as a pure sack artist he ends with a lower grade than Bosa as his floor is much lower than Bosa’s, his productivity was inferior and I do buy into Clemson’s bust rate at DE these past few years as too many of them have been more flash than substance. Top 15 as my #3 PR 4/24/16.
  4. Emmanuel Ogbah Oklahoma State 6’4 ¼ 273 Jr. Redshirted one season. He has elite arm length at ‘35 ½ with ‘10 hands. His 4.63 40 is elite, especially for his size and his explosion and quickness drills are both good. He played sparingly in 2013 but had two great seasons in 2014 (49 tackles, 11 sacks, 17 TFL, 1FF) and 2015 (64 tackles, 13 sacks, 17.5 TFL, 3 FF). It is interesting how under the radar Ogbah is with his size/speed ratio, long arms, and production all being elite. With his great arm length and impressive agility he reminds me a lot of Ziggy Ansah. He has mediocre strength, especially for his size. The Ansah comparison comes up against with Ogbah being Nigerian born and moving to Houston at 9 years old and Ansah being Ghanaian. He has great agility and quickness for a guy his size and I see Pro Bowl potential if he can add some strength and develop his hand game as he doesn’t use his long arms nearly as much as he should. Ogbah has an extremely high ceiling and enough size and productivity to keep me from worrying too much about him becoming a bust, despite his rawness as a pass rusher. I love him and think he’s one of the sleepers in this draft as he looks clearly superior to DeForest Buckner in my eyes. Top 15 as my #4 PR who is very similar to Ziggy Ansah 4/24/16.
  5. DeForest Buckner Oregon 6’7 291 Sr. He has long arms “34 ⅜ and some of the biggest hands I’ve ever graded (11 ¾). His 40 though (5.05) was terrible and I’m always hesitant to draft pass rushers this tall as it is hard for them to get low. JJ Watt and JPP are around this height though and have been successful. Frame wise his best fit is as a 3-4 DE. His speed and quickness numbers are good for a DT which is almost what he weighs but terrible for a DE. He has two seasons with +80 tackles which is elite and improved from only 7.5 sacks his first three seasons to 10.5 sacks and 17 TFL. He’s an elite run stopper and again makes me think his best fit is as a 3-4 DE. 2015 DPOY in Pac-12. He’s the ultimate “first guy off the bus” with his amazing frame. He’s Hawaiian. He’s moved all over the DL in their scheme and could continue that at the next level as he will definitely add value to his stock by being able to move inside on passing downs. Against Michigan St. he was easily handled on the edge by Jack Conklin yet was a dominant run stopper and showed great strength. He also got a few pressures as an interior rusher. Buckner is a unique prospect and a team that is successful with him will use him differently than a standard edge rusher. He projects as a 4-3 SDE (left end) where he will be a very good run stopper and battle the RT/TE on 1st and 2nd down. Then on 3rd and long situations he would best be used as a DT where his quickness and length for his size would work best against interior lineman than more athletic offensive tackles. If just lined up all game long at DE I think a team will be disappointed when he only averages 8 sacks a year but if a team moves him all around and is creative with him he would be more valuable. Buckner also would fit perfectly as a 3-4 DE but that position doesn’t often have high tackle or sack numbers (obviously ignore JJ Watt who is the ultimate anomaly). I like Buckner in the right scheme but am not in love with him and think a lot of people are overly obsessing about his amazing looking frame. Top 20 as my #5 DE who isn’t an elite pass rusher and will need to be utilized creatively to get his full value 4/24/16.
  6. Leonard Floyd Georgia 6’5 ⅝ 244 Jr. Redshirted one season. He has great height but only mediocre arm length (33 ⅛), poor for his height. At the Combine he really wowed with a 4.60 40, ‘39 ½ vertical and 10’7 broad showing great speed and explosion. He’s always been on my radar but never took that next step as a pass rusher as his sack totals got worse each year with 6.5 in 2013, 6.0 in 2014 and 4.5 in 2015. He had 3 seasons of 55 or more tackles with his 2015 (74) being the best but it gives the impression that Floyd plateaued. He is very thin for a pass rusher and gives me negative connotations of Dion Jordan with his thin frame and low career sack totals. On film he shows 4.60 speed and is incredibly agile with almost a safety type agility. Reports have him playing last year in the 230s so the question, just like Dion Jordan and Barkevious Mingo before him, is if he can keep his weight in the mid to high 240s. Georgia dropped him in coverage a lot and a team taking him should consider doing the same as he is more of an all around 3-4 OLB than a pure pass rusher type. In fact he might be moved inside as a part time pass rushing 3-4 ILB due to his versatility. There is some film of him bending around the edge and hitting a QB hard that gets me excited but for the most part he looks to be more athlete than rusher and is extremely weak. I just question his NFL potential as a rusher and think he’ll be better used as a Bruce Irvin type in Seattle where he would be a SLB on first and second down and then become a DE on 3rd down. Floyd has a lot of talent but doesn’t appear to be a future impact rusher so he drops out of the 1st round. Early 2nd round as my #6 PR who has strength and productivity red flags that have me less enamored than most 4/25/16.
  7. Carl Nassib Penn State 6’6 ⅞ 277 Sr. Redshirted one season. 5 years removed from HS he’s an older prospect. He’s a massive man at nearly 6’7 with ‘34 arms and ‘10 ⅜ hands. His 4.84 40 is very good for his weight. His explosion drills were below average (his vertical was terrible in fact) but his quickness drills were very good with his 7.27 3 cone being shocking for a guy his length and weight. He’s the younger brother of former Syracuse QB Ryan Nassib. He barely played until 2015 (19 career tackles in 2013-2014) but just exploded onto the scene with 46 tackles, 15.5 sacks, 19.5 TFL and 6 FF. He’s a long, strong and aggressive player that really attacks offensive linemen. He comes off a little cocky in his celebrations after plays, especially in the Temple game where he was glaring at their sideline after big hits. He fits as a SDE in a 4-3 or as a 3-4 DE due to his long frame and good strength. I like him though as a 4-3 SDE as he has a noticeable burst and very good agility for his size. Going from walk on and only special teams to Big Ten DPOY and 1st Team All-American in 2015 makes Carl an interesting story. He led the nation in sacks despite missing two games. He’s just a heat seeking missile and you could see Ohio State take advantage of his aggressiveness with draws and read options. Nassib is a tough grade as his frame is rare and for it to come with a motor that doesn’t stop, good strength, elite production and surprising quickness and bend to that frame makes me think I have a huge sleeper on my hands. Unfortunately I value production and his one year wonder status really worries me. Clay Matthews had a similar career path as Nassib but few other success stories come to mind. In the end though I have to keep a high grade on him as he looked great on film this year and I love big, strong guys with a great motor and good athleticism. Mid 2nd round as my #7 PR who has a very high ceiling as he played like a first rounder in 2015 but a high bust rate because he came into this year not even on people’s radar 4/25/16.
  8. Bronson Kaufusi BYU 6’6 ½ 285 Sr. As a BYU kid he’s an older prospect. He really is more of a 3-4 DE than a 4-3 DE as his frame and size are impressive. His 9 ¾ hands are small for a guy nearly 290 lbs. His 4.87 40 is good for his size and his 7.03 3 cone is elite. He played consistently for four years at BYU with solid stats in all four with 2015 (63 tackles, 10.5 sacks, 19.5 TFL, 3 FF) being another level for him. He has good speed and is just a mammoth guy but he isn’t quick twitch and I question how many sacks he’ll get at the next level. He looks to be solely a 3-4 DE prospect but in that role he could be really good as you just don’t see guys as big as him move as fast as he does. I’d be intrigued to see him as a one gap DT but can’t find any tape of him in that role. Kaufusi looks like an immediate starter as a 3-4 DE and one that will excel as a run stopper and pile up the TFL. I’m unsure how many sacks he’ll get but he should at least put enough pressure on the QB to be a long term starter. Early 3rd round as my #8 PR who fits perfectly as a 3-4 DE 4/25/16.
  9. Kevin Dodd Clemson 6’5 277 Jr. Redshirted one season. He has ‘34 arms, ‘10 hands and at 277 lbs is a huge defensive end. That helps mitigate his 4.86 40 which is pretty poor but it’s obvious from his film that he isn’t the fastest or most agile guy out there. He barely played from 2012-2014 (redshirted 1 year but gathered 6-8 tackles all three years in spot duty) and is definitely a one year wonder with his 2015 (62 tackles, 12 sacks, 23.5 TFL, 1 FF) coming out of nowhere. Part of me is curious to see how he would look as a full time 4-3 one gap DT as if he only lost a little speed while adding 15 lbs he could be elite. Right now he’s a tweener as he is just too slow for DE and didn’t even look that strong against the run when he faced Alabama in the national championship game. Also in that game he had two nice plays and both occurred when he lined up as a DT not a DE. I’m also very against one year wonder types, especially considering he’s been at Clemson for four full seasons and basically wasn’t even used as a backup until this year. He had some pretty weak sacks in 2015 with a number of them being cleanup sacks or coverage sacks. He also was helped with Shaq Lawson playing across from him. He has some bend but is kind of tight around the corner with his arc often being pretty wide-a huge negative to me. I’m pretty sure he will be drafted much higher than this as his size/speed/productivity combination is very solid but I see too many red flags with him as a one year wonder that is kind of tightly built with no burst. He could work out as a 4-3 SDE (left DE) but I have a feeling that he’ll be a bust. Mid 3rd round as my #9 PR who is high on my “most likely to bust” list 4/24/16.
  10. Shilique Calhoun Michigan State 6’4 ⅜ 251 Sr. Redshirted one season. 5 years removed from HS he’s an older prospect. His 4.81 40 was not good but much better than his other 40 which clocked in at 5.00 (they take the better of the two). His vertical (‘35) was very good and his quickness drills (4.25 shuttle and 6.97 3 cone) were elite. He barely played in 2012. From 2013-2015 he was a consistent playmaker with 37-49 tackles, 7.5-10.5 sacks and 12.5-15 TFL each year. His 27 career sacks is impressive. He has long arms (34 ¼). Calhoun has a lot I like in rushers as he’s consistent, productive, long armed and is quick. Unfortunately he just isn’t very fast, lacks a burst off the edge and is somewhat tightly built. He looks like a below average starter or above average #3 pass rusher for a team. Some teams will value him in that role as they like to send “waves” of DL at another team all game. I’m of the opinion that a few positions (QB, LT, Pass Rusher) are so valuable that you only go after very good players at the position aka at a certain point in the draft you have no interest in low ceiling players solely for the sake of depth. Calhoun falls right on the edge of that line as I just don’t see him getting consistent pressure in the pros and if a DE can’t get pressure then I don’t want him. Also his long arms and good frame give the impression that he’s a good run stopper but he really isn’t. His stats and film say he’s mediocre at best at this role which makes me worry even more about his questionable pass rush skills. In the end I see Calhoun being a very good rotational DE or a below average starter for a year or two for a team before they draft or sign his replacement. He has value in a rotation or for depth but he lacks the athleticism to provide any meaningful pass rush so I am not too interested in him. Late 3rd round as my #10 PR who is very overrated 4/24/16.
  11. Matt Judon Grand Valley State 6’3 275 Sr. Redshirted one season. 5 years removed from HS he’s an older prospect. He has good arm length (‘33 ⅞) and ran a solid 40 (4.73) with the other drills being mediocre. He’s a small school kid but he dominated his lower level of competition earning the Gene Upshaw award (best DL in Division II) for a 81 tackle, 20 sack, 23.5 TFL, 3 FF season. He tore an ACL two years ago. He didn’t play in the East-West Shrine game due to a tweaked meniscus and missed a golden opportunity to raise his draft stock. He has a skinny frame for his size and flashes NFL athleticism. His level of play makes it hard to grade him from the film I have but I see a lot of tools to work with for a team willing to roll the dice in the middle rounds as he has far more potential than a Shilique Calhoun. Of course his bust rate is much higher than Calhoun’s as well and an NFL team shouldn’t expect him to even contribute as a backup as a rookie so he likely will go later than Calhoun. All I’m saying is guys with Calhoun’s ceiling and lower have no chance to become above average NFL starters but Judon does. Whether he develops into one and how long it takes is another story but at least he has the potential. Early 4th round as my #11 PR who is a small school project type with a pretty high ceiling worth gambling on 4/24/16.
  12. Yannick Ngakoue Maryland 6’2 252 Jr. He has sub ‘33 arms (‘32 ½), sub ‘10 hands (‘9 ½) and ran a 4.75 40. He barely played as a freshman in 2013 and never had a season with more than 37 tackles, red flag as a player only interested in sacks. He did have 19 sacks the past two years though (13 in 2015) and stupidly decided to leave school early. Purely on measurables he isn’t impressive. He isn’t very fast but he is extremely quick and agile. His teammates don’t seem too friendly with him. I’m not a fan of his as he just isn’t athletic enough to get the edge and with his short arms, small hands and mediocre strength that basically means game over. Mid 6th Round as my #12 PR who is highly likely going to be a bust 4/25/16.
  13. Charles Tapper Oklahoma 6’2 ⅝ 271 Sr. He has extremely long arms (‘34 ⅜) for his size and his ‘11 ½ hands are some of the largest I’ve ever graded. His 4.59 40 is elite for a true DE. His sack total of 15.5 the past three seasons is not impressive but he consistently helped in other areas with 37-50 tackles each of those years. He plays tentatively and isn’t a true playmaker. His size/speed ratio is elite but it doesn’t show up on film as he’s very tightly built, isn’t aggressive as a rusher and isn’t instinctive against the run. I did not like his film and came away thinking he would be a bust. He shows his elite speed on one play though where he races +40 yards down the field to catch an Alabama WR. It’s pretty impressive and he has a good motor but at best Tapper will be a backup at the next level and would be a little surprised if he isn’t just a flat out bust. Early 7th Round as my #13 PR 4/25/16.
  14. Shawn Oakman Baylor 6’7 ⅝ 287 Sr. Redshirted one season. 5 years removed from HS he’s an older prospect. His ‘35 ¾ arms are rare. He had a 4.96 40 which is pretty solid for his size as he basically is the same weight as a DT. He had poor quickness drill numbers which isn’t surprising due to his weight and length. He is a very violent player, as evidenced by his 5 FF the past two years, and really blows people up. In 2014 he had a great season (51 tackles, 11 sacks, 19.5 TFL, 3 FF) that had him in the top of the 1st round mix. In 2015 he regressed (43 tackles, 4.5 sacks, 14.5 TFL, 2 FF) and struggled at times at the Senior Bowl. That being said, purely as a prospect there isn’t a huge difference between Shawn Oakman and DeForest Buckner in terms of height (6’7 ⅝ vs. 6’7), weight (287 vs. 291), arm length (‘35 ¾ vs. ‘34 ⅜), 40 time (4.96 vs. 5.05) and two year production (15.5 sacks, 34 TFL and 5 FF vs. 14.5 sacks, 30 TFL, 1 FF) with Oakman actually bettering Buckner slightly in most categories. Buckner is a little stronger, has better bend to his body, is better against the run and has a better motor while Oakman is a little longer and is a little more athletic. I say this because currently the thinking is that Forest is a Top 10 pick and Oakman won’t be drafted. Obviously the biggest reason for this is Oakman’s alleged rape of a Baylor student but new information has come out (the victim texted Oakman and had him meet her at a local bar) makes the crime seem questionable and if he isn’t convicted then someone could sign a potential 1st round talent like the Cowboys did last year when La’el Collins was momentarily involved in a murder investigation. Oakman is the emotional leader of the Baylor D and regularly is the vocal leader in the pre-game huddles. As a pure pass rusher he isn’t great as he’s pretty tight due to his frame and struggles to get the edge or bend around an OT to the QB. That being said he has good speed and explosiveness for his size, could be moved all around the OL and has a good power rush so the potential is there for him to be a solid 4-3 SDE (left DE) and even to move inside to DT on passing downs. Just like Buckner, Oakman’s best fit might be as a 3-4 DE where his long arms and good strength would minimize his lower ceiling as a pass rusher. No matter what scheme you play, Oakman makes sense in it in some capacity and I think he’s been pushed too far down draft boards (pre-rape) so a team could get a steal in him. Obviously a team will have to interview him and delve into the details of the rape case but if he is acquitted, which I am expecting him to be, and a team is comfortable with him as a human being then I would spend a mid to late round pick on him. Late 1st round as my # PR who is pretty similar in size, length and productivity to Buckner but gets a lower grade due to Buckner being stronger and more agile. There is no way to grade Oakman if I include the rape charges so I am just going to grade him as if they did not occur though obviously he won’t be going in the 1st round unless he is cleared before the draft and even then, he likely wouldn’t be on the 1st day as he was already getting 2nd and 3rd round chatter before the rape charge popped up 4/24/16. (One day later and sources are now saying that his ex-girlfriend a few years ago was possibly physically abused in 2013 but didn’t press charges. Also I didn’t know he was kicked off Penn State’s team before coming to Baylor. With this new information I’m re-thinking my position and now wonder if Oakman is a bad dude. On talent alone he’s a late 1st on my board but he drops to a Free Agent grade as my #14 PR due to all of the charges and rumours surrounding him 4/25/16).
  15. Jason Fanaika Utah 6’1 ¾ 271 Sr. Redshirted one season. 5 years removed from HS he’s an older prospect. He ran a 4.92 40 which is a horrible time for a pass rusher. He’s a much older prospect as he was a freshman in college in 2010. His career high was in 2014 with 5 sacks (4 sacks in 2014) and he doesn’t generate much of a pass rush. Fanaika isn’t a player that impressed me at all. He has no burst, is short, is an older prospect, has short arms (‘32 ⅝), ran a terrible 40 time and never produced at a high level in college as a pass rusher. Free Agent as my #15 PR who might not even make a roster as a backup 4/25/16.
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